

Bob Shoulders and his wife Katherine owned and operated FAC for nearly 15 years and have seen it’s start in 1995 and it’s growth from a small start-up one building athletic club surrounded by cow pastures in the far NE corner of Fayetteville in 1995 to a premiere athletic club with now 7,500 members. FAC Tennis Network interviewed Bob to gain insight and appreciation into the start of FAC and FAC Tennis. The top right 2004 photo was taken when the bubble was erected for the first time. Fayetteville FD wanted to inspect the bubble because it was the first air suspended building covering 6 tennis courts they had ever seen. [Please note in the interview where ‘narrative’ is placed -indicating the preceding answer by Bob is not a direct quote but a narrative of our conversation.]
1. Where did you grow up? St. Louis, MO generally… but more specifically the ball fields in my neighborhood.
2. If not from NWA - what brought you here? I moved here in the mid 80’s from KC MO to work at the precursor of Arvest Asset Management; back then we were Walton Bank, Investment Management Group.
3. Marital status, spouse’s name and children's names? Katherine is my beautiful wife, Nick is a senior at the U of A and Patrick is a sophomore at the U of O (ask Taylor[Dodds] what that stands for).
4. What do you do for a living now? I am heading up a new division for a company out of Charlotte that specializes in health club communication and member retention.
5. You’ve played in some FAC tennis tournaments over last few years– do you still play now? A torn rotator cuff and torn labrum in my right shoulder don’t allow for tennis, throwing to deep wheel routes, or middle relief.
6. What do you like and dislike about tennis? I love the sense of community it creates. I disliked Reuben [Ruben Reina, FAC Trainer and frequent tennis tournament partner of Bob’s] and I getting beat by Junior High kids at FAC tennis tournaments.
7. Speaking of young tennis players – you’ve seen a few promising young tennis players come through FAC Tennis: [Narrative vice quote here] Yes, my wife and I were recently thinking about a few; the Lundstrom kids, Kyle Henry, Robby Hotus who had never picked up a racket and now has a tennis scholarship – seeing those kids grow and develop in tennis is rewarding.
8. What else do you do for recreation, relaxation, hobbies: Until my shoulder surgery this summer, I was a decent golfer. I still stay fit with most other forms of exercise and try to keep up with my wife’s travel ideas and watching my sons become young men.
9. Have you played sports at the college level? Yes, I played football for two years until the aforementioned shoulder (ironic eh?) was damaged and then went across the street to the soccer team. William Jewell College outside of KC was a great place to go to school.
10. What has playing / competing in sports taught you about life? I was (and continue to be) slow, white and skinny. About 80% of my success in athletics was due to hard work and passion for the games I was playing. I admire pure talent but in the long run, I don’t think it gets you as far as hard work and perseverance.
11. What has been your most memorable athletic event / feat? Two of my three holes in one (or is it hole in ones?) dropped in the same years as my sons were born (‘89 and ‘91).
12. How did you start in the athletic club business? About the time Katherine and I got married, her family was building the Little Rock Athletic Club. They needed some help pre-selling memberships so I got started out in a trailer…down by the river.
13. When and how did the idea of a FAC begin? I lived in Fayetteville when Katherine and I met so when we got married and moved to Little Rock, we talked about how nice it would be to move back to NWA and raise our kids. Ken Wright had built and sold clubs in Russellville and Conway and when we saw him doing the same thing in Fayetteville in 1995, we jumped on raising the capital to take the project over.
14. Who is Ken Wright? [Narrative vice quote here] Ken was an investor/builder of convenience stores and who expanded into building athletic clubs – his first were in Russellville and Conway. Ken did the same here in Fayetteville, with what is now FAC. Ken was building FAC and was approached by two prospective buyers – Washington Regional and Katherine and I. Katherine and Bob was able to secure funding and had a buy/sell agreement with Ken a few months after FAC opened in the fall of 1995 and the Shoulders took over ownership and operations in 1996.
15. Starting anything of this size had its challenges – was there something that drove you to finish building FAC? We saw the growth opportunity in the region and knew there were not any large, multi-sport clubs to serve the area’s many new citizens. There was a burgeoning number of “small market dominators” such as LRAC, Red Larille’s, Genesis and other large health clubs in mid-sized towns so we really liked the business model and the potential. It was a lot of hard work but it was also very rewarding to positively affect people’s lives.
16. What challenges and opportunities did you see in investing in a tennis center? We knew we wanted to do build a “world class” tennis center and sought to incorporate design characteristics we saw at other clubs around the country. Food service, quality playing surface, spectator areas, tournament/event staging, year round programming and pro-shop became key elements for the facility. Not cutting corners was expensive but I think the FAC Tennis Center is exceptional. Keeping programs going all year is a challenge but the bubbles function quite well for winter play.
17. Was there any debate about the design, size, clay, hard, indoor, outdoor, # of courts, etc? We spent over a year working with architects, designers, engineers and construction people to incorporate the various elements into the site plan which was limited by the necessary additional parking spaces, landscaping, drainage, available acreage, etc. Ultimately, the six court configuration ended up fitting perfectly. From an expense standpoint, clay was never really an option so we opted for a “soft-hard court” or Plexipave cushioned surface poured over a post-tension slab. It’s as fine a playing surface as you will find anywhere and the Kinsey family that did the finish is a little known local treasure.
18. No doubt you evaluated the tennis environment in Fayetteville, NWA and the state before you built the center – what were your observations? There was definitely room for a quality offering. The youth/development market was underserved; leagues, professional instruction and team tennis have all been spurred on by FAC tennis. I love the progress FHS has made with their tennis program and watching kids that developed through the FAC junior programs is awesome.
19. Where there early family, community, government supporters in your dream of building a tennis center? From 1996 through 2004, I can’t tell you how many people told us they wanted tennis at FAC. When we finally built it, not all of them showed up but the program has grown nicely over the past seven years. Taylor [Dodds] and his staff have done a tremendous job and Rhonda’s [Baxter] commitment during her time at FAC was fantastic.
20. Was it originally called FAC? [Narrative] Yes. At the time Bob bought FAC, the total square feet was basically only 40,000 sq feet – which is the original main building without today’s pools, health and wellness (east side), child care building, and tennis center. The one original FAC building was basically the basketball court and child care which was in a little hall going to the left as you enter the main entrance. There were only 20 pieces of cardio equipment! You wouldn’t recognize it today. Though the original building was quite small compared to what FAC is today the original design features were advanced for fitness centers of the time allowing for ideally located add on buildings and features that allowed you to stand in anywhere in the main club and see 2 or 3 other activities going on at the same time. If you were at the Tennis Center you could see what is happening at the pool, if you were at the pool you could see the Child Care, etc. The original building plan worked out pretty well.
21. How large was the acreage? [Narrative] Originally it was 4 acres. We then bought 2 acres in 1998 and then we bought another 2 acres later. We ended up with about 9.5 acres.
22. Did FAC’s location (back in 1995), which was out in the country surrounded by cow pastures, in the far northeast corner of Fayetteville ever concern you? [Narrative] Some of the bankers were concerned and asked questions about its proximity to the Jones Center who didn’t charge for using their fitness equipment. One realtor said this wouldn’t work – you need to be closer to the Bypass. There were some original concerns at the time with so few homes in the area, but it all worked out.
23. Looking back, do you still consider it a good location? [Narrative] I think it all worked out well. The location worked out well because it is on the Fayetteville / Springdale border. Most of Fayetteville can get to FAC now quite easily.
24. When did the Tennis Center open up? It was November of 2004 – near Thanksgiving.
25. When did you put up the Bubble? [Narrative] We were unable to put up the first bubble in that first November because of post 9/11 shipping / import regulations and security checks and slowdowns. The bubble was fabricated in Italy, got hung up in shipping/security delays and changes and instead of arriving on an east coast port it arrived later than expected in a west coast port. In the end , the bubble didn’t arrive and get erected until February 2004. As soon as the bubble was erected, it was taken down 1April. It was quite quite a learning curve getting that first bubble up.
26. Is the bubble specially designed? [Narrative] Yes the bubble design is very customized to be installed on the sides of the building and how those corners are set up so that the walls of the bubble go straight up. If you ever notice on the outside alleys of courts 1, 3, 4 and 6 – its pretty hard to hit the side of the wall even when you are on the far side of the doubles alley because of the design of the sides of the bubble go straight up instead of a bell shape and that is somehow has to do with those engineering of those corner enclaves that allow for the connected walls to go straight up.
27. I never knew those odd small corner cubby holes in the bubble are really there for a purpose – to hold the walls up almost vertically.
28. I have have always heard that the elevated gravel parking lot was to be the location of the permanent indoor tennis courts – is that true? [Narrative] No – no truth to that at all. Laugh. It was just about the only excess space we had or anything and since it was leveled off and we were stretched for parking space we got permission from the city to make it an employee parking lot.
29. I have heard the tennis court surface – Plexipave, is it special. Why? [Narrative] If you Google Plexipave or California Courts, which has about 10 different types of rubberized surfaces you can pour. We choose to have 4 layers of additional rubberized surface that is mixed with sand to give it some grit. Because of that it does play a little bit slower than a lot of hard courts but it also has a fair amount more cushioning for your knees than most hard court surfaces and poured on a post tension slab which is a huge advantage of not cracks.
30. Has there been much interaction / cooperation with UofA Tennis or Fayetteville HS Tennis Programs and FAC Tennis? [Narrative] There was time when the Razorbacks didn’t have their current Indoor/Outdoor Billingsley Tennis Center on the UofA campus and would have a number of their outdoor tournaments at the Walton Life Fitness Center and have their practices here at FAC. There were a couple of years where FHS played their tournaments at FAC and I believe some of the FHS players are using the FAC courts with Taylor Dodds early in the morning before school starts. We have always had a working relationship with both FHS tennis and swim teams as well as UofA Tennis. Of course UofA Tennis now has one of the finest indoor/outdoor tennis facilities probably anywhere.
31. Over the years, it seems like Little Rock tennis teams have won a disproportionate number of State Tennis Championships as compared to other areas of the state. What can NWA team do to better compete at the state championship level? I think it is just a matter of playing in higher level tournaments more frequently and getting “tourney tough”. NWA players have the talent, they just need to get the mileage.
32. What is your favorite NWA restaurant and why? Bordino’s. Joe Fennel.
33. What is one thing people would be surprised to know about you? I do a mean rendition of the” Star Spangled Banner” from my shower.
34. When I was 10, I wanted to be…..Bob Gibson.
35. Books I would suggest to a friend: Blue Ocean Strategy, Just a Range Ball in a Box Full Of Titleists, anything written by David Halberstam
36. Favorite movies: The Big Lebowski, Pulp Fiction, Repo Man
37. The person I most admire is: My wife Katherine for putting up with me for 25 years
38. The guests at my fantasy dinner party would be: My grandparents. All four of them were very interesting and lovable characters.
39. I ‘ve been fortunate to: Have the opportunity to build a career in the health club industry. I cannot imagine doing anything else.
40. One word to sum me up: Bob